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01/31/2013 07:30 AM Senate SENATE SPECIAL COMM ON IN-STATE ENERGY


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07:31:55 AM Presentation: Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority Overview of Fairbanks Gas Trucking Project
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON IN-STATE ENERGY                                                                         
                        January 31, 2013                                                                                        
                           7:31 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator John Coghill, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Dennis Egan                                                                                                             
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Giessel                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: ALASKA INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT (AIDEA) OVERVIEW OF                                                                 
FAIRBANKS GAS TRUCKING PROJECT                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MARK DAVIS, Deputy Director                                                                                                     
Infrastructure Development                                                                                                      
Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented an overview of the Fairbanks                                                                    
Liquid Natural Gas Trucking Project.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
NICK SZYMONIAK, Project Economist                                                                                               
Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented an overview of the Fairbanks                                                                    
Liquid Natural Gas Trucking Project.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TED LEONARD, Executive Director                                                                                                 
Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Presented  an  overview  of  the  Fairbanks                                                             
Liquid Natural Gas Trucking Project.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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7:31:00 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR CLICK BISHOP called the Senate Special Committee on In-                                                              
State Energy  meeting to order at  7:31 a.m. Present at  the call                                                               
to order were Senators Micciche,  Egan, Co-Chair Coghill, and Co-                                                               
Chair Bishop. Co-Chair Bishop welcomed  Senator Giessel and asked                                                               
her to join the committee.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation:   Alaska   Industrial   Development   and   Export                                                               
Authority Overview of Fairbanks Gas Trucking Project                                                                            
 Presentation: Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority                                                           
           Overview of Fairbanks Gas Trucking Project                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:31:55 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  introduced  the   overview  for  the  Liquefied                                                               
Natural  Gas (LNG)  Project  regarding production,  distribution,                                                               
and financing. He noted that  Interior Alaska referred to the LNG                                                               
Project as  the Interior Gas  Trucking Project and  was inclusive                                                               
of the Rural Interior River Systems for propane distribution.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:32:35 AM                                                                                                                    
MARK DAVIS,  Deputy Director, Infrastructure  Development, Alaska                                                               
Industrial Development and Export  Authority (AIDEA), said SB 23,                                                               
the Governor's  bill, had  two components:  allowing AIDEA  to do                                                               
direct project  financing and the Governor's  Interior Alaska Gas                                                               
Plan (IAGP).  He explained that  AIDEA was currently  required by                                                               
law  to  own  100 percent  of  a  project  or  own a  project  in                                                               
conjunction with other  investors. He explained that  it would be                                                               
best if AIDEA  provided financing for certain  projects that were                                                               
not owned  by AIDEA  for long  periods of time.  He noted  that a                                                               
slight modification  was made to  AS 44.88.172(a) to  allow AIDEA                                                               
to do direct financing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  said the Governor's IAGP  was designed to work  with a                                                               
number of components as follows:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        · Gas storage credits, passed during last session by the                                                                
          legislature.                                                                                                          
        · Appropriation request, a onetime appropriation of $50                                                                 
          million which would go to AIDEA.                                                                                      
        · Recapitalization of the Sustainable Energy and                                                                        
          Transmission Supply Fund (SETS), an element of SB 25                                                                  
          that passed during last session by the legislature                                                                    
          that would be used as a loan to the project                                                                           
        · Authorization for AIDEA to issue $150 million worth of                                                                
          bonds.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS said the Governor's comprehensive package added up to                                                                 
approximately $355 million and was made up of several components                                                                
with one component already in place.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:34:41 AM                                                                                                                    
He explained the LNG Project goals as follows:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        · Provide the lowest cost energy to most Alaska                                                                         
          consumers in the Interior.                                                                                            
        · Get gas first to Interior Alaska while assuring                                                                       
          long-term access to gas from liquefaction plant                                                                       
          for all Alaskans                                                                                                      
        · Utilize private sector mechanisms as much as                                                                          
          possible.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP announced that Senator Wielechowski joined the                                                                  
committee meeting.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS explained the AIDEA Development Project Analysis &                                                                    
Decision Making Process as follows:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
       SB 23 in the Interior gas plan is going to work in                                                                       
        conjunction with AIDEA's normal decision making                                                                         
     process. SB 23 is asking for:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        · Appropriation.                                                                                                        
        · Recapitalization of SETS.                                                                                             
        · Bond authorization to use in conjunction with the                                                                     
          Governor's gas storage credits as a unit.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
    AIDEA will apply this process to make sure it works via:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
         · Feasibility analysis.                                                                                                
         · Deal structuring analysis.                                                                                           
         · Put together the final deal.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS said  requests were  issued in  December for  interest                                                               
from  firms  that might  be  willing  to  work within  the  AIDEA                                                               
Development Project  Analysis & Decision Making  Process and work                                                               
with the  AIGP. He  said AIDEA  was pleased  to announce  that 16                                                               
Letters  of Interest  (LOI) were  received from  the request.  He                                                               
noted  that AIDEA  was reviewing  the LOI  to see  what had  been                                                               
offered and what would fit within the process.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He said  the goal was  to lower energy  costs by using  the North                                                               
Slope's  LNG and  trucking  it  to the  Fairbanks  area. He  said                                                               
AIDEA's LNG trucking  project was being done  in conjunction with                                                               
the  Alaska Energy  Authority (AEA).  He explained  that AEA  had                                                               
provided AIDEA with the following data:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Key Assumptions:                                                                                                           
        · 9 Billion cubic feet (Bcf) plant.                                                                                     
        · LNG plant bifurcated into two sections (industry                                                                      
          and utility).                                                                                                         
        · $50 million capital cost reduction applied to the                                                                     
          4.5 Bcf utility section.                                                                                              
        · Re-gas, storage, and distribution costs are                                                                           
          presented as a range.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  said  the  9  Bcf  plant  was  relatively  small.  He                                                               
explained that the $50 million  appropriation from SB 23 would be                                                               
placed into the utility-side of  financing the LNG plant in order                                                               
to keep the  cost as low as  possible. He noted that  AIDEA had a                                                               
regulatory lawyer  on staff to  address regulatory issues  of how                                                               
the deal would be structured.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He announced  that there  was good  news from  AEA on  pricing as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Expected Utility Price per thousand cubic feet (Mcf):                                                                      
        · Wholesale LNG: $10.33.                                                                                                
        · Natural Gas to Home: $13.49-$17.29                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  a  chart  that   showed  a  40  percent  reduction  in                                                               
Fairbank's heating costs with natural gas versus fuel oil.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked what the  total cost was for  the LNG                                                               
plant,  the cost  breakdown  for state's  portion,  and the  bond                                                               
amount.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  answered that the Governor's  IAGP was made up  of the                                                               
following components:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        · Gas storage credits that was passed last session.                                                                     
        · Appropriation request for $50 million in SB 23                                                                        
        · Recapitalization  for  $125  million of  the  SETS                                                                    
          Fund that was made available from SB25 during                                                                         
          last session as a loan to the project.                                                                                
        · $150 million in bonding to AIDEA.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked Mr. Davis to explain the $125 million                                                                
recapitalization and the $50 million appropriation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS responded that financing would be as follows:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        · $50 million  one-time appropriation to  AIDEA from                                                                    
          general funds.                                                                                                        
        · $150  million  authorization  for AIDEA  to  issue                                                                    
          bonds because if AIDEA issues bonds over a                                                                            
          certain   limit,   it    must   seek   legislative                                                                    
          authority.                                                                                                            
        · Appropriation  to recapitalize  the  SETS Fund  at                                                                    
          $125 million and that, according the Governor's                                                                       
          Gas Plan, would be loaned to the project at 3                                                                         
          percent.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if that $50 million was out of the                                                                   
general fund and the rest was picked up through other bonding                                                                   
sources.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He addressed the LNG project description as follows:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        · Natural gas  will be liquefied on  the North Slope                                                                    
          and trucked to Interior Alaska.                                                                                       
        · Primary  LNG demand  anticipated  to be  Fairbanks                                                                    
          and North Pole.                                                                                                       
        · LNG will be temporarily  stored and re-gasified in                                                                    
          Interior Alaska.                                                                                                      
        · Natural  gas distribution  system with  storage to                                                                    
          supply natural gas for heating.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He emphasized that  the Governor's IAGP was  anticipated to build                                                               
out distribution.  He explained  that the  plan was  not strictly                                                               
about building  an LNG  plant, but  a complete  integrated system                                                               
would be provided.  He said the plan would create  the gas, truck                                                               
the gas, and distribute the gas.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP said  he would provide the committee  with a copy                                                               
of  financing  build-out  from   the  Governor's  IAGP  that  was                                                               
submitted in December, 2012. He  noted that the Governor's report                                                               
showed the funding sources more clearly.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR DAVIS  explained a  diagram on  the LNG-Supply-Chain.  He said                                                               
the  re-gasified LNG  could  be  used as  gas  in space  heating,                                                               
electricity,  and  industrial  usage.  He  said  there  would  be                                                               
liquids in the  gas and AIDEA would attempt to  capitalize on the                                                               
liquids by  selling propane and  other types that were  usable on                                                               
the North Slope.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked  what the expected price  would be for                                                               
purchasing North Slope gas.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered that AIDEA did not have an exact price.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He said AIDEA's 16 LOI for participation included the following:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        · Two turnkey offers: Golden Valley Electric                                                                            
          Association (GVEA)  and Pentex Alaska  Natural Gas                                                                    
          Co., the  parent company of Fairbanks  Natural Gas                                                                    
          (FNG). Both of those  companies indicate that they                                                                    
          have contracts in place  with producers, but AIDEA                                                                    
          has not engaged in  discussions with them at level                                                                    
          of determining exactly what those contracts say.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked what the LNG plant's daily capacity was.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered 9 Bcf.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked for the plant's daily capacity.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS replied  that he would get back to  Senator Micciche on                                                               
the LNG plant's daily capacity.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  addressed the  "Natural Gas to  Home" price                                                               
range  that Mr.  Davis  noted of:  $13.49-$17.29.  He asked  what                                                               
producer-price was used to calculate the price range.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS answered  that he  assumed  the price  range from  the                                                               
producer was  $2.00 to $3.00. He  noted that the price  range was                                                               
an estimate and the actual price was not known.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  stated  that  he was  told  that  gas  was                                                               
selling on the North Slope for $4.00.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS answered  that he  did not  know the  North Slope  gas                                                               
prices.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  if  it  was  possible  for  a  more                                                               
detailed breakdown of tariffs, cost of gas, and trucking costs.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS replied that the assumption for trucking was $4.00.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL commented  that there was a slide at  the end of                                                               
Mr. Davis'  presentation that addressed  more detailed  costs. He                                                               
asked if AEA's economist could address costs.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked Mr. Szymoniak  if he had the daily capacity                                                               
number for the LNG plant.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
NICK  SZYMONIAK,  Project  Economist,  Alaska  Energy  Authority,                                                               
Anchorage,  responded that  he would  calculate  the LNG  plant's                                                               
daily capacity.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked Mr. Davis to continue the presentation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS introduced the AEA and AIDEA project team as follows:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     AEA:                                                                                                                       
        · Gene Therriault: Deputy Director, State Energy                                                                        
          Policy Development.                                                                                                   
        · Kirk Warren: Technical Engineer.                                                                                      
        · Nick Szymoniak: Project Economist.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     AIDEA:                                                                                                                     
        · Mark Davis: Deputy Director, Infrastructure                                                                           
          Development.                                                                                                          
        · Jim   Strandberg:   Energy   Development   Finance                                                                    
          Officer.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  addressed the Collaboration Structure  between AEA and                                                               
AIDEA as follows:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     AEA is leading the policy development of the project:                                                                      
        · Ensure that project goals are defined and                                                                             
          consistent with the public interest.                                                                                  
        · Engage   the   public,   industry,   and   elected                                                                    
          officials.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     AIDEA is developing the financing of the project:                                                                          
        · Examine finance options and commercial structure                                                                      
          in collaboration with private party participants.                                                                     
        · Utilize available finance tools to meet project                                                                       
          goals.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  addressed  the  project's  "expert  consultation"  as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Engineering consultant:                                                                                                    
        · LNG expert hiring by January 31.                                                                                      
        · Provide technical project support.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Project management consultant:                                                                                             
        · Anticipate hiring in February.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Financial consultant:                                                                                                      
        · Mark Gardiner of Western Financial Group.                                                                             
        · Retained in November.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS noted that AIDEA hired  experts on a project by project                                                               
basis. He said  a Request For Proposal (RFP) had  been issued for                                                               
LNG engineering consultants and AIDEA was reviewing responses.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP asked  Mr.  Davis to  alert  the committee  when                                                               
AIDEA awards the engineering RFP.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS answered  yes.  He noted  that  the AIDEA  Procurement                                                               
Committee was meeting  next week to make its  selection. He added                                                               
that  AIDEA was  in  the process  of  putting out  an  RFP for  a                                                               
project  management  consultant  to oversee  the  entire  process                                                               
going forward  to make sure it  made sense. He said  AIDEA was in                                                               
the  project development  and analysis  phase. He  explained that                                                               
the intent was  to have its experts acknowledge if  the LNG plant                                                               
was feasible  with the proposed  money and whether  wholesale LNG                                                               
could be delivered to Fairbank at $10.00 Mcf.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP asked  when the  committee would  know what  Mr.                                                               
Davis had just described.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  replied that the  information would be put  before the                                                               
AIDEA Board of Directors in a public forum.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked if Mr. Davis had a timeline.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered  that he would reveal the timeline  at the end                                                               
of his presentation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He explained the financing options  for the North Slope LNG plant                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     LNG Plant Finance Sources:                                                                                                 
        · Storage Credit: $15 million.                                                                                          
        · General Fund Grant: $50 million.                                                                                      
        · AIDEA SETS Loan: $125 million.                                                                                        
        · Other Financing: $30 million.                                                                                         
        · Plant Total: $220 million.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  that  "other  financing" would  be  from  the  private                                                               
sector.  He explained  that the  Governor wanted  the project  to                                                               
work with  the private  side. He  said AIDEA  had $50  million in                                                               
general  funds (GF)  and the  rest was  in the  form of  loans or                                                               
AIDEA  sourcing other  capital. He  noted  that the  16 LOI  were                                                               
potential financing participants.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  asked  if  private   equity  groups  had  shown                                                               
interest.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  answered yes.  He noted  that additional  interest was                                                               
shown by a bank and a  financial consortium, a form of investment                                                               
bank and arm of a charter bank.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  addressed the  LNG plant's  bifurcation for                                                               
industry  and  utility  usage. He  asked  what  industries  AIDEA                                                               
envisioned  for the  LNG. He  inquired if  the industry  [sector]                                                               
would possibly  pick-up the "other  financing" of $30  million or                                                               
more.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  answered that  "other  financing"  would need  to  be                                                               
parsed out. He said the Governor's  goal was to work with private                                                               
capital for the project.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed LNG  utility and  industrial sales.  He said  AIDEA                                                               
would  procure a  "regulated sale"  to a  utility to  achieve the                                                               
Governor's goal of providing the  consumer with the best possible                                                               
price.  He  added  that  commercial-priced  sales  to  industrial                                                               
accounts  would  help  defray  the debt  service  on  the  entire                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if AIDEA  envisioned selling  on the                                                               
North Slope, Interior Alaska, or shipping via barges.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  answered that  some  of  the  liquids that  would  be                                                               
stripped off  of the  gas could  be sold on  the North  Slope. He                                                               
said propane  that was  generated from the  LNG process  could be                                                               
sold  throughout the  Interior. He  addressed the  possibility of                                                               
selling LNG  to other commercial users  that would not be  in the                                                               
Fairbanks area.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL   addressed  industrial   anchor-purchasers  as                                                               
Golden Valley  for electricity production and  two refineries. He                                                               
explained that the  refineries were using high cost  oil in their                                                               
refining  operations  that  could  be  replaced.  He  noted  that                                                               
hospitals and  big-box stores would  also be  possible commercial                                                               
purchasers.  He said  home  heating would  be  the smallest  unit                                                               
users for the build-out.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:50:44 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  what  AIDEA projected  as the  total                                                               
amount of gas available for the Interior.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SZYMONIAK answered that some  designs had been reviewed for a                                                               
space heating  load to homes  and businesses at  9 to 11  Bcf. He                                                               
explained that  industrial load and  refineries would be 9  to 11                                                               
Bcf. He said the total would be 18 to 20 Bcf.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TED  LEONARD, Executive  Director, Alaska  Industrial Development                                                               
and Export Authority  (AIDEA), said the LNG  Plant was originally                                                               
designed for 9  Bcf with the ability  to expand up to  20 Bcf. He                                                               
disclosed  that the  full build-out  was currently  projected for                                                               
high  and medium  density users  in the  Fairbanks area  with the                                                               
industrial  sector  being approximately  14  Bcf.  He noted  that                                                               
expanded distribution  to the Interior would  increase the number                                                               
to 20 Bcf.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if the  LNG production  projects were                                                               
for both industrial and utility usage.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD answered  that he believed the  total build-out would                                                               
be 20  Bcf. He said  bifurcation would be evenly  divided between                                                               
industry  and utility  usage. He  addressed potential  industrial                                                               
development would include the North  Slope and the transportation                                                               
section  to develop  LNG use  in trucks.  He noted  that FNG  had                                                               
purchased  several   LNG  propelled  trucks   for  transportation                                                               
between  Port  MacKenzie and  Fairbanks.  He  explained that  LNG                                                               
usage would expand  quickly in Fairbanks and  the Northwest Artic                                                               
Borough  in replacing  diesel fuel  with LNG  in powering  mining                                                               
operations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:54:42 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS  stated  that  there would  be  industrial  sales  and                                                               
regulated  sales, but  some  of the  users  that Senator  Coghill                                                               
referenced would  actually be regulated sales.  He explained that                                                               
LNG sales to  Golden Valley would be regulated  by the Regulatory                                                               
Commission  of Alaska  (RCA). He  said AIDEA  was in  preliminary                                                               
negotiations with  other industrial users that  would include the                                                               
Ambler  mining   district,  [located   in  the   Northwest  Artic                                                               
Borough].  He   explained  that  the  mining   operators'  diesel                                                               
generator-sets could be  designed to convert to  propane. He said                                                               
there were  many potential  long term LNG  users via  pipeline or                                                               
trucking. He stated  that the cost of trucking  from Fairbanks to                                                               
outer areas was  not that much of an increment  [per Mcf of gas].                                                               
He reiterated  that the  cost to truck  outside of  Fairbanks was                                                               
$4.00 per Mcf.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP   summarized  that  the  more   gas  sold  would                                                               
ultimately decrease  the prices  for the  individual user  at the                                                               
burner-tip.  He noted  Fairbanks' air  quality problem  with fine                                                               
Particulate  Matter (PM)  that was  smaller than  2.5 microns  in                                                               
diameter  (PM2.5).  He  said   the  Department  of  Environmental                                                               
Conservation (DEC)  told him  that the use  of natural  gas would                                                               
lower the PM2.5  problem in Fairbanks. He noted that  there was a                                                               
lot of  LNG trucking projects  that would be successful  prior to                                                               
pipeline  possibilities.  He  said  Tower  Hill  Mining  and  the                                                               
[Ambler  Mining   District]  were   examples  of   potential  big                                                               
industrial users for  LNG truck-gas projects. He  cited two paper                                                               
mills in  Maine that  were devastated by  high energy  costs that                                                               
successfully  transitioned to  LNG truck-gas  and saved  jobs. He                                                               
asked Mr. Davis if more gas volume meant lower costs.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS answered  yes.  He  said the  LNG  plant and  trucking                                                               
operations would need  to reach optimal sizes.  He explained that                                                               
Economies of  Scale (EOS)  could be achieved.  He said  he agreed                                                               
with  the  DEC  Commissioner that  the  Environmental  Protection                                                               
Agency's  PM2.5 designations  would  affect  industrial users  to                                                               
shift to natural gas and away from diesel generator-sets.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:57:56 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  stated that  Alaska  was  40 years  behind  in                                                               
trucking  LNG.  He  addressed  the example  of  the  paper  mills                                                               
converting to LNG  truck-gas in Maine and noted that  the LNG was                                                               
delivered   from    a   large-scale   operation    in   [Everett,                                                               
Massachusetts]. He  said AIDEA's  LNG facility was  a small-scale                                                               
operation  that would  not have  the capacity  for the  uses that                                                               
were previously  mentioned to  the committee.  He noted  that the                                                               
current  funding package  would not  meet the  overall needs.  He                                                               
addressed  the theory  that  selling more  gas  equated to  lower                                                               
pricing and noted that it  would only work with negotiated prices                                                               
from the  North Slope. He said  the rest of the  system would not                                                               
benefit  from EOS.  He  added  that the  truck-gas  system for  a                                                               
small-scale facility was labor intensive.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked Mr. Davis to  address the scope of the LNG                                                               
facility  and  inquired  if depropanized  or  lean-gas  would  be                                                               
purchased from the supplier.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  answered that  the gas would  be purchased  as-is from                                                               
the North  Slope. He  explained that the  contracts had  not been                                                               
examined that  were in place  between the two turnkey  offers. He                                                               
said he expected  that [depropanizing] would be  addressed in the                                                               
contracts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   MICCICHE   replied   that   the   differences   between                                                               
depropanized and lean-gas would dramatically affect pricing.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  responded  that  an LNG  engineer  and  lawyers  were                                                               
engaged to  review the contracts  and delve into the  details. He                                                               
said the goal  was to achieve the best price  and least cost that                                                               
was consistent with what the commercial sector would sell.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if FNG  would continue running  the plant                                                               
at Point MacKenzie to meet the additional need.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:00:37 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS responded  that he  did not  know and  noted that  FNG                                                               
would have  to decide based  upon their business plan.  He stated                                                               
that  AIDEA  was  not  trying to  compete  against  any  existing                                                               
company and noted  that the intent was to present  a plan for the                                                               
Interior. He  disclosed that AIDEA  had been in contact  with FNG                                                               
regarding their  new natural gas  powered trucks that  would haul                                                               
LNG.  He said  he agreed  with Senator  Micciche that  Alaska was                                                               
behind in  LNG trucking and  was interested in knowing  how FNG's                                                               
trucks operated.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He addressed Senator Micciche's  comments regarding EOS and noted                                                               
that financial EOS  could be achieved from proper  plant size and                                                               
the amount  of financing  required, but  not from  an engineering                                                               
perspective.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEONARD explained  that AIDEA  believed that  the Governor's                                                               
financial  package  would set  the  core  of  the LNG  plant.  He                                                               
explained  that the  LNG  plant was  9 Bcf  with  the ability  to                                                               
expand in  increments of 2 Bcf.  He said AIDEA believed  that the                                                               
LNG plant and  distribution system would allow for  the market to                                                               
finance incremental  Bcf increases up  to the 20 Bcf  maximum. He                                                               
stated  that one  of  the proposed  contracts  had indicated  LNG                                                               
interest for up 20 Bcf for  20 years and another party proposed a                                                               
15 year contract  for 14 to 16  Bcf. He said he  had a discussion                                                               
with Senator  Coghill in 2012  regarding fixed gas  pricing [from                                                               
the producer]  and pricing was  in the  $2.00 to $3.00  range. He                                                               
noted that  an analysis was  required with  a confidential-shield                                                               
to be  able to see the  actual numbers. He explained  that one of                                                               
the parts  from the analysis  would include a demand-review  if a                                                               
pipeline came to  fruition by 2020 to ensure  the plant continued                                                               
to  have demand  after completion.  He  said a  company would  be                                                               
hired  to  provide  detailed   economic  and  demand-analysis  to                                                               
provide a full picture for financing purposes.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:03:57 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS  addressed financing  and noted  that the  first people                                                               
that  finance the  LNG project  would ask  for a  higher rate  of                                                               
return due  to risk. He  said once a project  becomes operational                                                               
with  cash flow  with a  track history,  a better  rate could  be                                                               
attained. He explained  that obtaining a better  rate was similar                                                               
to refinancing a home mortgage  where payment schedule and equity                                                               
levels were  reviewed in order  to obtain a lower  interest rate.                                                               
He  said  lowering  interest  rates over  time  was  typical  for                                                               
expanding industrial sites.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if there  was consideration  to make                                                               
LNG  available to  South Central  utilities due  to the  region's                                                               
concern of running out of natural gas.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS responded that AIDEA  had not looked at supplying South                                                               
Central.  He said  a delivered  price to  South Central  could be                                                               
calculated once actual pricing and trucking costs were obtained.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  commented that whenever gas  pipelines were                                                               
discussed  in the  past,  a "postage  stamp"  rate was  typically                                                               
addressed where  everyone paid the  price. He asked Mr.  Davis if                                                               
he envisioned a "postage stamp" rate.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered that parts of  the system would come under the                                                               
jurisdiction of the  RCA. He said the RCA would  try to achieve a                                                               
uniform price for similar customers.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE addressed the challenges  of offering a "postage                                                               
stamp" rate  for delivering gas  via truck versus a  pipeline. He                                                               
stated  that there  was a  need  to focus  on the  fact that  the                                                               
proposed LNG plant  did not have a lot of  capacity. He explained                                                               
that offering excess  product for other areas  would be difficult                                                               
to achieve.  He noted that  the proposed LNG plant  was exciting,                                                               
but admitted that  there was a lot to learn  before the project's                                                               
cost, deliverable amount, and excess availability was known.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:06:16 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS  responded that AIDEA  was at the project  analysis and                                                               
decision  making   phase.  He  said   AIDEA  believed   that  the                                                               
Governor's IAGP  was a  good plan  and noted that  SB 23  was not                                                               
designed to start  building the LNG project. He said  SB 23 would                                                               
put the right tools in place to  allow the IAGP to be analyzed in                                                               
order to determine  feasibility for a 9 Bcf  LNG plant, delivered                                                               
pricing   to  Fairbanks,   and   possible   residual  uses   for:                                                               
residential  heating,  industrial   gas  conversion,  and  mining                                                               
operations. He said  the analysis would review  all potential gas                                                               
markets  and the  projected  effects on  a 15  or  30 year  plant                                                               
amortization plans.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that SB  23 would  request authorization  to charge                                                               
for a  3 percent loan under  the SETS program. He  explained that                                                               
SETS was  currently set by  statute to be market-indexed  with an                                                               
interest rate of 5  to 6 percent. He noted that  a 3 percent loan                                                               
would only add  $1.00 per Bcf and not hurt  consumers. He pointed                                                               
out  that a  3 percent  interest rate  would inflation-proof  the                                                               
state's loan  if inflation  remained at  current levels  over the                                                               
next ten years. He addressed  the possibility for plant expansion                                                               
and noted  that the facility could  be expanded up to  20 Bcf. He                                                               
said the  LNG plant would  have residual  uses if a  gas pipeline                                                               
was built.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:09:48 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP asked  if potential  markets  in Canada's  Yukon                                                               
Territory and Southeast Alaska were considered.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS replied  that once  Fairbanks' needs  for natural  gas                                                               
were  supplied  profitably,   expansion  possibilities  could  be                                                               
considered for other  markets if EOS was achieved.  He noted that                                                               
EOS  could also  be  pecuniary  or financial  in  nature too.  He                                                               
explained  that technical  EOS was  difficult to  achieve through                                                               
production.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  addressed the  30 year amortizing  analysis and                                                               
noted  that  consideration should  be  given  to large-scale  LNG                                                               
trucking  for fleets  of semi-trucks  that run  on LNG.  He noted                                                               
that should  a pipeline be built,  an analysis should be  done on                                                               
the cost of moving a plant  to a location that had infrastructure                                                               
powered by LNG.  He noted that LNG trucking from  the North Slope                                                               
would  no longer  be necessary,  but it  would be  interesting to                                                               
find out if an LNG fuel system would be available for the long-                                                                 
term after a pipeline was erected.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS replied  that the LNG plant would be  moveable by semi-                                                               
tractor trailer. He explained that  part of AIDEA's business plan                                                               
anticipated moving the LNG plant.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE remarked that the  proposed LNG would be similar                                                               
in  size to  T. Boone  Pickens'  Clean Energy  Company (CEC)  LNG                                                               
plants. He noted that California was  using a lot of LNG for long                                                               
distance trucking from CEC's California facility.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS replied that AIDEA was  asking for the same type of LNG                                                               
plant as CEC's  California facility. He noted  that the long-term                                                               
residual use  for the proposed  LNG plant  was its ability  to be                                                               
moved should  a pipeline  be constructed.  He explained  that the                                                               
LNG plant could be moved to another natural gas source.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:12:57 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  agreed with Senator Micciche  that analysis                                                               
should  be provided  on the  LNG  plant's residual  use to  avoid                                                               
obsolescence. He asked if analysis  had been done on a comparison                                                               
between LNG and the Susitna-Watana Hydroelectric project.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS answered  that  he  was not  aware  of  a report  that                                                               
compared LNG to Susitna-Watana.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SZYMONIAK replied that the  Alaska Energy Authority (AEA) had                                                               
not specifically looked at a  comparison between trucking LNG and                                                               
Susitna-Watana.  He  said  AEA  was looking  at  an  analysis  of                                                               
supplying Fairbanks with electric based heat.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP commented  that a proposed dam  was considered in                                                               
the Fairbanks region call the  Rampart Dam project [in the 1950's                                                               
and  1960's]. He  said new  homes with  electric based  heat were                                                               
built in anticipation, but the Rampart Dam was never built.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL stated that he  wanted the Susitna-Watana Dam to                                                               
come  on-line.  He  said  the  proposed  dam  may  not  help  his                                                               
Fairbanks based industrial  users and noted that  it was critical                                                               
to provide them with natural gas. He explained that the Susitna-                                                                
Watana  Dam was  not scheduled  to  come on-line  until 2025  and                                                               
Fairbanks' two refineries and  existing power generation required                                                               
a power [rate] drop as soon as possible.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS responded  that the Governor's IAGP was  designed to be                                                               
complementary with the Susitna-Watana Dam  and was the reason for                                                               
the  joint policy  effort between  AIDEA and  AEA. He  noted that                                                               
AIDEA was  also monitoring  the Alaska  Stand Alone  Gas Pipeline                                                               
(ASAP)  Project  in  order  for financiers  to  address  the  LNG                                                               
plant's residual  value when additional energy  projects come on-                                                               
line.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:15:45 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS addressed the Project Finance Overview as follows:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        · $325 million for project in Governor's finance                                                                        
          plan.                                                                                                                 
        · AIDEA financing can be applied to different parts                                                                     
          of the LNG supply chain.                                                                                              
        · AIDEA will use this finance package to leverage                                                                       
          private investment.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He said  $325 million  was in SB  23 and $30  million in  gas tax                                                               
credits that  the Governor  put in  place for  use last  year. He                                                               
said  AIDEA would  apply to  finance "in  pieces" throughout  the                                                               
supply chain to  achieve the best cost with the  intent to reduce                                                               
the  financial  debt  on  the  LNG  project.  He  explained  that                                                               
achieving good  gas prices was  based upon  what was paid  to the                                                               
natural   gas  supplier   and   how  much   was   paid  for   the                                                               
infrastructure required  to produce the  LNG. He said  the intent                                                               
was  to reduce  the infrastructure  debt to  the lowest  possible                                                               
point.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He addressed the Governor's "finance package" as follows:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        · $50 million General Fund appropriation:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                  ƒDirectly reduces the cost of LNG.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        · $150 million AIDEA bonds:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                  ƒ3 percent interest rate (projected rate                                                                     
                    based on current market rates.)                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        · $125 million SETS capitalization:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                  ƒ3 percent interest rate.                                                                                    
                  ƒFlexibility    to     provide    optimal                                                                    
                    commercial structure.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        · $325 million total package.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        · $30 million natural gas storage credit:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                  ƒ$15 million tax credit per qualifying                                                                       
                    storage tank.                                                                                               
                  ƒCreated through previous legislative                                                                        
                    action.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He said  the Governor's finance  package would be set  forth from                                                               
SB 23.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:16:59 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP called an at-ease.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:17:25 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP called the committee back to order.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if $325  million was the total cost of                                                               
the project and the cost of the liquefaction plant was included.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD  answered that the  current estimate for  the project                                                               
was $220  million for a  9 Bcf plant and  $20 million for  each 2                                                               
Bcf production increase.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SZYMONIAK remarked that a  4.5 Bcf incremental increase would                                                               
be  approximately  $50  million  and  a bit  less  for  a  3  Bcf                                                               
increase.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD said the initial LNG  plant would be $220 million and                                                               
the  distribution system  would  be initiated  for an  additional                                                               
$200 million  for the first  phase. He summarized that  the first                                                               
phase  would   be  approximately  $400  million   and  the  total                                                               
[project]  cost  would be  approximately  $800  million with  the                                                               
distribution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  that  a  LNG   trucking  feasibility  study  was  done                                                               
approximately three  years ago. He  said an LNG  trucking program                                                               
was  dependent  on  oil  pricing  being  above  $60  per  barrel,                                                               
included industrial-based  demand, and had the  ability to build-                                                               
out demand.  He explained  that demand and  production had  to be                                                               
financed in tandem.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:22:04 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS said  bond covenants that identified  gas sources would                                                               
be  required to  issue bonds.  He  said bonds  were necessary  to                                                               
finance a  good distribution system  and noted  that SB 23  was a                                                               
comprehensive plan.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  reiterated that AIDEA  did not know if  the gas                                                               
coming  to  the plant  was  depropanized.  He explained  that  50                                                               
trucks would  be required to  deliver LNG  when the plant  was at                                                               
full capacity  and additional vaporization  would be  required in                                                               
the Fairbanks area. He asked  if everything he noted was included                                                               
in the request for financing.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD replied that the  LNG plant would produce propane and                                                               
it would be  stripped out at the facility. He  explained that the                                                               
LNG plant  would produce approximately 10,000  gallons of propane                                                               
per  day. He  said  the  gas would  be  purchased with  contained                                                               
liquids.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  explained  that  he  was  a  lawyer  and  focused  on                                                               
contractual language.  He noted  that he  was reluctant  to share                                                               
information until  he had read  the contracts. He stated  that he                                                               
assumed propane would be available to sell from the LNG plant.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP  declared that the  day's topic was  on financing                                                               
and  a  high-project  overview.  He   said  as  the  LNG  project                                                               
progressed,  the committee  would bring  the appropriate  experts                                                               
forward. He addressed  his background in trucking  and noted that                                                               
the  LNG trucking  from  the North  Slope was  not  an issue.  He                                                               
disclosed  that a  major trucking  company  claimed that  capital                                                               
assistance was not required to finance equipment.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS commented that he had  assisted AIDEA five years ago to                                                               
analyze LNG  trucking from  the North Slope.  He said  prices had                                                               
changed  since   the  analysis,  but  noted   that  the  analysis                                                               
concluded that  trucking was very probable  without a requirement                                                               
for cash infusion.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  addressed the financing package  and reiterated                                                               
that the  actual costs  were not  known. He  said he  was looking                                                               
forward  to acquiring  additional  financing  information as  the                                                               
project developed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS replied  that the Governor's IAGP was  designed to work                                                               
with the private sector and AIDEA  was looking for an infusion of                                                               
private capital. He  cited SB 23 as the tool  needed to work with                                                               
the private sector.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI recounted that  trucking would cost $2.00 to                                                               
$3.00 per Mcf  and commented that he perceived the  cost as being                                                               
high. He asked  Mr. Leonard to provide additional  details on the                                                               
trucking  costs.  He noted  that  the  overall project  cost  was                                                               
declared to  be $800 million  when it was previously  reported to                                                               
be $325  million and asked  that the difference be  addressed. He                                                               
referred to  the request for  $50 million from the  General Funds                                                               
and  asked  if  AIDEA  would  return next  year  to  request  for                                                               
additional appropriations.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:27:18 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. LEONARD  answered that the  $325 million plus $30  million in                                                               
credits for  storage tanks would  create an LNG program  that met                                                               
high and medium density demand  in Fairbanks. He said added costs                                                               
would  be  realized  when  added   demand  required  capital  for                                                               
expansion. He explained that a  20 Bcf LNG plant would ultimately                                                               
require $800  million. He remarked  that an  established core-LNG                                                               
program would  leverage private  sector financing  for expansion.                                                               
He said the goal of SB 23 was  to get the first LNG system in and                                                               
get  gas to  the Interior  as quickly  as possible.  He explained                                                               
that  expansion  would  be addressed  with  the  legislature  and                                                               
private  sector financing  after the  initial LNG  system was  in                                                               
place.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL advised  the committee  that  the $800  million                                                               
noted by  Mr. Leonard was  a "what if"  number. He said  the $325                                                               
million was  to get  the industrial  use and  immediate build-out                                                               
use  in  the highest  density  area  in  Fairbanks. He  said  the                                                               
initial build-out would have a  huge impact on the Fairbanks area                                                               
and  explained  that  Fairbanks'   regional  refineries  were  as                                                               
stressed  as the  home owners.  He  said Eielson  Air Force  Base                                                               
(EAFB) was dependent on the  refineries for their flying fuel and                                                               
the  refineries contributed  to EAFB's  economic stress.  He said                                                               
the LNG  project would  have a  beneficial cascading  effect that                                                               
was larger  than strictly home  heating, but he stated  that home                                                               
heating  was  essential.  He  said   the  $800  million  was  the                                                               
potential scope that would most likely be filled by a pipeline.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:31:49 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS addressed  Senator  Wielechowski's  question if  AIDEA                                                               
would  come  back  to  the   legislature  next  year  to  request                                                               
additional  funding. He  stated that  AIDEA would  not come  back                                                               
with  a request  next year.  He  said the  Governor's IAGP  would                                                               
provide a way to start the  LNG distribution, design for its long                                                               
term development,  and anticipate changes that  would require the                                                               
plant  to be  moved. He  said the  business plan  would say  that                                                               
AIDEA would  be off  and running  if SB  23 passed.  He explained                                                               
that the  analysis process  would dictate  if the  project should                                                               
proceed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP summarized  that  the $800  million  was a  full                                                               
build-out  with  private  equity  taking the  balance  after  the                                                               
initial $355 million financing plan from the state.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered correct. He  explained that the $30 million in                                                               
storage credits was obtained last  year by the Governor. He noted                                                               
that the $50 million appropriation  from General Funds would only                                                               
be spent  if AIDEA  decided to  go forward  with the  project. He                                                               
said  the $125  million was  a loan  that should  go back  to the                                                               
Treasury and $150 million in bonds would come back to AIDEA.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BISHOP  asserted that  the payback  would be  similar to                                                               
the DeLong Mountain Road to the Red Dog Mine site.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered correct. He said  AIDEA was in the business of                                                               
making  a return  and  then hopefully  paying  the legislature  a                                                               
dividend from the return.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  explained the home owner  typically covered the                                                               
cost in  a Utility  Special Assessment  District (USAD)  and that                                                               
was what kept  the costs somewhat manageable for  those putting a                                                               
project  forward. He  asked if  USAD  was the  vision on  getting                                                               
distribution to individual subdivisions and homes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:34:40 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS answered  correct. He  said Alaska  allowed for  Local                                                               
Improvement  Districts  (LID) and  noted  that  LID was  used  to                                                               
supply gas to  Girdwood. He disclosed that  AIDEA was considering                                                               
what other states had done  that allowed improvements to run with                                                               
a reality via  property tax inclusion. He noted  that AIDEA hired                                                               
a consultant  with property  taxation experience  for improvement                                                               
projects. He  said AIDEA would like  the homeowner to be  able to                                                               
afford any added  taxes. He mentioned the  Governor's IAGP intent                                                               
was  to make  pricing affordable  to consumers  in Fairbanks  and                                                               
address their plight over high fuel costs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE stated that one  of three primary reasons why he                                                               
was in the committee and legislature  was his dream for a natural                                                               
gas  fueled economy  through the  populated areas  of Alaska.  He                                                               
emphasized that  there were a  lot of  ways to achieve  a natural                                                               
gas fueled economy and he appreciated  the work done by AIDEA. He                                                               
stressed that  he wanted  the best option  for Alaskans.  He said                                                               
Alaska had a relatively endless  supply of natural gas that could                                                               
fuel utility  uses for home  heating and power the  vehicles that                                                               
delivered goods throughout the state.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:36:31 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS said AIDEA appreciated Senator Micciche's comments.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP noted  that there  were  economic benefits  that                                                               
were yet  to be realized if  the LNG project came  along. He said                                                               
he  would  share  one  hard  number for  AIDEA  to  consider.  He                                                               
addressed  a recent  conversation  with  a school  superintendent                                                               
whose district was  spending $9 million per year  for heating. He                                                               
stated that  cutting heating  costs by 40  percent would  free up                                                               
more  money for  school  districts. He  noted  that everyone  was                                                               
aware of  the impending budget  constraints that the  state would                                                               
face. He said cheaper energy would solve a lot of problems.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  replied  that  AIDEA   was  working  on  another  gas                                                               
distribution  project   for  an   undisclosed  city   and  school                                                               
district.  He noted  that  energy  cost could  be  reduced by  50                                                               
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD stated  that one of the first things  any business or                                                               
private  sector organization  would  look at  was  their cost  of                                                               
energy and  its stability. He  noted that mining  operations look                                                               
at cost as a major component of their decision to go forward.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS referred  to a  discussion he  had with  a CEO  from a                                                               
mining company and his first  question pertained to energy costs.                                                               
He said  the CEO asked if  the proposed LNG plant  could be moved                                                               
to another source to assist  mining operations. He explained that                                                               
one of  the problems with  developing mines was access  to power.                                                               
He addressed AIDEA's business plan was to anticipate LNG uses.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:39:15 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE addressed Mr. Davis'  comment and noted that the                                                               
state had  helped with a  gas-line to  Homer in his  district. He                                                               
said  the  savings  to  the Kenai  Peninsula  Borough  (KPB)  for                                                               
public-building  heating would  be approximately  $2 million  per                                                               
year. He noted that KPB  residents who were not receiving natural                                                               
gas  would realize  indirect  savings in  property  taxes due  to                                                               
KPB's  lowered  cost  in   maintaining  infrastructure.  He  said                                                               
natural  gas  would  have  an   overall  incremental  benefit  to                                                               
everyone.  He  addressed  individuals who  would  never  directly                                                               
receive natural gas and pointed  out that their electricity might                                                               
be generated  by natural gas.  He referenced  to his dream  for a                                                               
statewide  build-out  for  natural   gas  that  would  eventually                                                               
provide for substantial savings to everyone.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  addressed the LNG  project's schedules  and milestones                                                               
and noted that  SB 23's passage would put AIDEA  in a position by                                                               
August to provide the AIDEA Board with recommendations.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP asked  what  the  target date  was  to choose  a                                                               
recipient from the 16 LOI that AIDEA received.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS   replied  that  an  initial   analysis  was  recently                                                               
completed  and selection  was  being refined  down  to a  smaller                                                               
group. He said  a project manager and engineer would  be hired to                                                               
assist in working  the selection down to four  or five candidates                                                               
within two weeks.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  about  the $3.00  to $4.00  trucking                                                               
tariff and the timeline for getting gas to Fairbanks.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:41:47 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. SZYMONIAK answered that the cost of trucking was $4.00.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS said  the $4.00  trucking cost  was used  as a  "place                                                               
marker."  He  recounted a  previous  LNG  trucking analysis  that                                                               
showed that  the project would work  if oil stayed above  $60 per                                                               
barrel  and  the project's  build-out  costs  were kept  low.  He                                                               
addressed  financing  for  LNG trucking  and  referenced  Senator                                                               
Bishop's  statement that  trucking  companies  would actually  be                                                               
hired  and  expensed  rather  than   adding  equity-debt  to  the                                                               
project.  He  explained  that  a  business  structure  should  be                                                               
created for the special-purpose-vehicle that  owned the LNG plant                                                               
to capture the  federal tax expenses to the partners  that put up                                                               
the  capital that  does not  allow flow-back  to AIDEA.  He noted                                                               
that one of AIDEA's jobs, as  with the [Cook Inlet] jack-up rigs,                                                               
was to develop a business structure that was most beneficial.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:43:15 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. LEONARD replied to  Senator Wielechowski's question regarding                                                               
the 16  LOI. He explained  that there were two  turnkey proposals                                                               
with   some   having   [specific]  interest   in   financing   or                                                               
engineering.  He   said  one   turnkey  proposal   projected  gas                                                               
availability in Fairbanks by 2015.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  COGHILL  stated  that  he knew  at  least  two  turnkey                                                               
proposals had obtained  permits with engineering and  many of the                                                               
operational  issues were  addressed.  He said  there  may be  the                                                               
perception  that  permitting would  still  have  be resolved  and                                                               
noted  that  the  turnkey  proposals  had  many  of  the  permits                                                               
accomplished with the proper economics.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS replied  that  with the  direction  of the  Governor's                                                               
office, AIDEA was in consultation  with the Department of Natural                                                               
Resources  (DNR) regarding  large  permitting  to address  costs,                                                               
timing, and evaluation in toto.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEONARD addressed  Senator  Wielechowski's  question on  the                                                               
$4.00  trucking rate.  He  said the  two  turnkey operations  had                                                               
based trucking  rates on FNG's  current gas  transportation costs                                                               
from Port MacKenzie to Fairbanks.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He stated that  the Governor's goal for AIDEA was  to ensure that                                                               
the private  sector was involved as  much as possible in  the LNG                                                               
project. He explained the advantage  of having the private sector                                                               
look at  the LNG  project to  indicate whether  it made  sense to                                                               
move forward.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:45:53 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE asked  if the  storage tanks  were over  72,000                                                               
gallons.  He noted  that tanks  over 72,000  gallons changed  the                                                               
permitting and regulations structure.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  replied that  the storage tank  size question  had not                                                               
been answered. He agreed that storage  tank size had an impact on                                                               
permitting.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  explained  that  when  AIDEA  returned  to  the                                                               
committee to address the LNG  project's mechanics, the importance                                                               
of having storage tanks in July would be revealed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR COGHILL asked  when AIDEA would return to  report to the                                                               
committee and review upcoming project evaluations.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  responded that  AIDEA would return  with an  update in                                                               
approximately three weeks. He said  once the engineering firm was                                                               
hired,  AIDEA would  ask  questions that  were  submitted by  the                                                               
committee. He noted that AIDEA would  ask FNG how their LNG truck                                                               
program was working.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  noted that  Commissioner  Susan  Bell from  the                                                               
Department  of  Commerce,  Community,  and  Economic  Development                                                               
(DCCED) was  attending the committee  meeting. He said  DCCED was                                                               
equally interested in the LNG project.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:48:21 AM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the Senate                                                                       
Special Committee on In-State Energy, Co-Chair Bishop adjourned                                                                 
the meeting at 8:48 a.m.                                                                                                        

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
2013_01-31_LNG-SB23_final.pptx SISE 1/31/2013 7:30:00 AM
SB 23